HOMOSEXUALITY AND THE CHURCHES
ACCORDING TO MARCUS BORG
Missionary David C. Bennett, D. Min.
Preacher, does your blood boil when you read articles
or hear interviews of someone deriding the truth and authority of the
Scriptures? Or do you get more upset when your football team loses a game?
I believe Dr. D. M. Lloyd Jones was correct when he said "I have the
impression that this modern generation of Christians does not like the
negatives." I also believe there are many present day fundamentalists that
do not like negatives as well.
Are we living in a generation where those who would
identify themselves as a fundamentalist never get perturbed by anything
(at least enough to speak out against it) and by all means possible try to
avoid all controversy? These fundamentalists would never mention names
such as Paul did when he boldly stated "Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who
concerning the truth have erred."
Many fundamental preachers believe that as long as they
preach the Bible and stay true to orthodox doctrine their people will not
stray. However, in today’s ease of communication Christians are bombarded
with all brands and doctrines over the television, radio and internet.
Your, my people watch these programmes and it is left to us as preachers
to expose these teachings if unbiblical. When we speak forth the truth in
exposing the apostate and false teachers we are in good company. The men
of God of old were always bold in their pronouncement against false
teaching and often named names. Elijah was bold in speaking to King Ahab
when he answered Ahab’s question by saying "I have not troubled Israel;
but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the
commandments of the LORD, and thou hast followed Baalim." 1 Kings 18:18.
Silence is not always golden and therefore I will not
keep silent concerning religious apostasy as given on the Australian
Broadcasting Corporation web site THE RELIGION REPORT for 26 February
2003. It is a two part series entitled HOMOSEXUALITY AND THE CHURCHES
which originally was aired on National Radio. This is the first part of a
two part series. And only the first part will be dealt with in this paper.
The ABC reporter is Stephen Crittenden and he speaking to American
professor Marcus Borg. I have emphasized certain statements by underlining
them and then making comments as I deem necessary.
Again I say my blood boiled when I read this interview
but my heart ached for these lost souls without Christ. Religious but
lost! They read the Bible but miss the One "altogether lovely" and
therefore will miss Heaven.
Spurgeon said "It is sadly true, that even a Christian
may grow by degrees so callous, that the sin which once startled him does
not alarm him in the least." That is also true of apostasy and apostates.
We hear "religious" men say things we know are Scripturally untrue but to
be positive we say remain silent. May that state in which we may find
ourselves cease and today’s true fundamentalist cease their silence and
begin to speak out and put to silence the ignorance of foolish men. If we
fundamentalists keep silent now it will be said of the next generation
that "they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith."
God is still seeking men who will stand. Psalm 94:16 "Who will rise up for
me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers
of iniquity?" May it be you, and may it be me.
HOMOSEXUALITY AND THE CHURCHES, PT. 1
Stephen Crittenden: Marcus Borg is Hundere
Distinguished Professor of Religion and Culture at Oregon State
University. He is a member of the famous Jesus Seminar, and the
author of numerous best-sellers, including The God We Never Knew, Meeting
Jesus Again for the First Time, and most recently Reading the Bible Again
for the First Time.
Editor’s Comment: The "famous Jesus Seminar" began in
1985 with thirty "scholars" and today is composed of more than two hundred
people who have one purpose and that is to question the words, works and
person of the Lord Jesus Christ. From the Jesus Seminar web site we read
"The renewed search began with the first meeting of the Jesus Seminar in
March 1985 when founder Robert Funk addressed the assembled scholars in
Berkeley, California:
"We are about to embark on a momentous enterprise. We
are going to inquire simply, rigorously after the voice of Jesus, after
what he really said.
In this process, we will be asking a question that
borders the sacred, that even abuts blasphemy, for many in our society. As
a consequence, the course we shall follow may prove hazardous. We may well
provoke hostility. But we will set out, in spite of the dangers,
because we are professionals and because the issue of Jesus is there to be
faced, much as Mt. Everest confronts the team of climbers."
Editor’s Comment: Oh for an army of fundamentalists
that would set out to stand for the Truth found in God’s Word in spite of
the ridicule from the "professional" intelligentsia. Yes, I believe in a
literal six day twenty four hour creation! Yes, I believe in a literal
Adam and Eve in a Garden! Yes, I believe the shed blood of the Lord Jesus
Christ was and is necessary for man’s redemption! The intelligentsias do
not believe those vital doctrines but we fundamentalists do!
The Jesus Seminar web site states that "The Seminar
meets twice a year to debate technical papers that have been prepared and
circulated in advance. At the close of debate on each agenda item, Fellows
of the Seminar vote, using colored beads to indicate the degree of
authenticity of Jesus' words or deeds. Dropping colored beads into a box
has become a trademark of the Seminar."
Can you imagine voting on the words and deeds of
Jesus Christ!? These two hundred "scholars" need to read and believe by
faith what the Lord Jesus said in John 20: 29 "Jesus saith unto him,
Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they
that have not seen, and yet have believed."
Founder Robert Funk is an apostate to say the least.
The following is an edited portion of what he thinks of theology and the
Lord Jesus Christ. I have edited portions of his statements of unbelief
for space but the import can still be grasped and gasped at by those who
know and love the Lord Jesus Christ.
"Theology
The God of the metaphysical age is dead. There is not a
personal god out there external to human beings and the material world.
The doctrine of special creation of the species died
with the advent of Darwinism and the new understanding of the age of the
earth and magnitude of the physical universe. Special creation goes
together with the notion that the earth and human beings are at the center
of the galaxy (the galaxy is anthropocentric). The demise of a
geocentric universe took the doctrine of special creation with it.
The deliteralization of the story of Adam and Eve in
Genesis brought an end to the dogma of original sin as something
inherited from the first human being. Death is not punishment for sin,
but is entirely natural. And sin is not transmitted from generation to
generation by means of male sperm, as suggested by Augustine.
Christology
We should give Jesus a demotion. It is no longer
credible to think of Jesus as divine. Jesus' divinity goes together
with the old theistic way of thinking about God.
The plot early Christians invented for a divine
redeemer figure is as archaic as the mythology in which it is framed. A
Jesus who drops down out of heaven, performs some magical act that frees
human beings from the power of sin, rises from the dead, and returns to
heaven is simply no longer credible. The virgin birth of Jesus is an
insult to modern intelligence and should be abandoned. In addition, it
is a pernicious doctrine that denigrates women.
The doctrine of the atonement—the claim that God killed
his own son in order to satisfy his thirst for satisfaction—is subrational
and subethical. This monstrous doctrine is the stepchild of a primitive
sacrificial system in which the gods had to be appeased by offering them
some special gift, such as a child or an animal."
Editor’s Comment: All doctrine is important for there
is no minor doctrine. Adam and Eve, original sin, personal God, and the
blood atonement are all precious vital Bible doctrines! Albert Barnes
rightly says "The doctrines of religion are closely connected, and are
dependent on each other--like the different parts of the human body. One
cannot be corrupted without affecting those adjacent to it, and unless
checked, the corruption will soon spread over the whole."
Mr. Funk have you read Romans 3:24, 25 "Being justified
freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his
blood..."? I am sure Mr. Funk has "But the natural man receiveth not the
things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither
can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1Corinthians
2:14.
Did your blood get just a little warm while reading
Funk’s unbelief? If so you may be a true fundamentalist! Those statements
are not those of a believer. What is sad is that people like this get a
hearing! Now listen, and listen carefully, what this man is saying
will someday be taught in some "fundamental" schools if the Lord tarries.
I am neither a prophet nor the son of a prophet but I know man and I know
history to some extent. I remember when some Michigan pastors were in
conflict with Grand Rapids Baptist Seminary concerning a professor who did
not believe in a literal hell. One would have thought dismissal from
teaching in the Seminary would have been immediate and swift but that was
not the case. Mark my words, it will get worse!
One of the two hundred "Fellows" of the Jesus Seminar
is the "Executive Minister" of a "church" in Melbourne, Australia. The web
page for the church states "It is a place which affirms and encourages the
best expression of who you are and who you can be, through
relevant theology." Under the pastor’s leadership this church
according to the web site has "adopted a liberal and progressive
theology, that sits on the forefront of readical thought with
Dr Robert Funk, Bishop Holloway, Bishop John Shelby Spong, and Rev
Don Cupitt." These men read or have read the Scriptures to some extent but
by denying the Scriptures these men are listed as those "who hath trodden
under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant,
wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto
the Spirit of grace."
You are known by the ones you hang around with so it is
said; well just listing Spong’s name says a lot. But note the emphasis on
"who you are" and "who you can be". This is the wrong emphasis but it is
that same emphasis of many evangelical and "fundamental" churches today!
Much theology is man centered rather than God centered! Relevant theology
and radical thought really mean unorthodox and liberal unbelief.
Crittenden continues: Marcus Borg is a moderniser, he
talks about taking the bible seriously, not literally. And you
might be surprised by his message: that biblical fundamentalism in America
is on the decline. He says the bible has become a battleground between
liberals and conservatives, with the same people lining up together over
three main issues: the creation myth in Genesis, the nature of Jesus,
and homosexuality.
Editor’s Comment: As with most philosophizers there is
a lot of double talk. Bible believing people take the Bible seriously for
it is God’s written Word to man but we also take it literally. Dr. D. A.
Waite says "When the plains sense of Scripture makes common sense, seek no
other sense, but take every word in its primary, literal meaning unless
the facts of the immediate context clearly indicate otherwise."
Borg was brought up as a Lutheran but is now
Episcopalian. If you know anything about the Episcopalian Church it is
apostate to the very core. The Epicopal Church in the USA is a part of the
Worldwide Anglican Community with its head being the Church of England.
Borg’s wife is an Episcopalian "priest" and according to her "He's been
looking for Jesus all his life." We would say to Mr. Borg to read Isaiah
55:6 "Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he
is near." and Hebrews 12:2 "Looking unto Jesus the author and
finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the
cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the
throne of God."
Borg in his autobiography says that; "By the end of
childhood, the ingredients of what I now call ‘the popular image of Jesus’
were in place. I saw Jesus as the divinely begotten Son of God who died
for the sins of the world, whose message was about himself, his saving
purpose, and the importance of believing in him. John 3.16, that verse
memorized as a preschooler, expressed it perfectly. ‘Believe in Jesus and
you'll go to heaven’ was my childhood understanding of the Christian
gospel.
I believed in that image of Jesus without effort. I now
understand why it was so easy. I received this image in what I have since
learned to call the state of the ‘first naivete’ or ‘precritical naivete.’
This is the childhood state in which we take for granted that whatever the
significant authority figures in our lives tell us to be true is indeed
true. But this state of childhood belief was not to last."
Is this not chilling and sad? Borg knew the terminology
but he never knew Christ personally! How many young people in our
"fundamental" churches have verbalized (and I emphasize verbalized) a
belief in the Lord Jesus without any conviction of sin? How many young
people have been taken through a "prayer" and told they are saved? Saving
faith as defined by Spurgeon is "made up of three things- knowledge,
belief and trust." Bible salvation is by grace through faith and nothing
of you for it is the gift of God. I believe that and preach the same and
yet should we not look for fruit coming forth of that profession? Are we
afraid of being called a "legalist" if we say as James "shew me thy faith
without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." It is not
our faith that saves but the One in whom our faith is placed. He, Jesus
Christ is the object of saving faith! It is He who is "the propitiation
for our sins" and bore "our sins in his own body on the tree" and so it is
now Christ that "liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh
I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for
me." It is therefore God which worketh in us born of His Spirit to do
works not for salvation but because of "so great salvation". The
Philippian jailor had faith in Christ which resulted in his taking those
two singing preachers "the same hour of the night" and washing "their
stripes" and then being "baptized, he and all his, straightway." Then that
same jailer who had earlier beaten these two preachers "brought them into
his house" and "set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with
all his house." From that jail incident and the previous river preaching
service in which Lydia was saved was formed the local church at Philippi!
Professions of faith resulted in the formation of a local church! Are the
young people who are now adults, who made professions of faith while
young; are they active for Christ in our local churches?
It will be seen that Borg and the other "Fellows" in
the Jesus Seminar are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the
knowledge of the truth." 2Timothy 3:7.
Marcus Borg: It just seems very clear to me that
there’s statements in the bible that speak against homosexuality, that
are culturally relative to their own time and place. And within the
United States, there is a growing awareness that the bible itself is
not an infallible product that comes straight from God, but is the
human product of these two ancient communities, Israel and Early
Christianity – and that the bible tells us how these people saw things,
not how God sees things. Now, that’s an emerging awareness that’s very
strong in mainline denominations in North America.
Editor’s Comment: Is the statement made above saying
"statements in the bible that speak against homosexuality, that are
culturally relative to their own time and place" true? Not according
to 1 Corinthians 10: 5- 11 "But with many of them God was not well
pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6 Now these things
were our examples, to the intent we should not lust
after evil things, as they also lusted. 7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were
some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and
rose up to play. 8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them
committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9 Neither let us
tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of
serpents. 10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were
destroyed of the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened unto them for
ensamples: and they are written for our admonition,
upon whom the ends of the world are come."
One purpose for which God gave the history of Israel in
the Old Testament is for us to learn from their (Israel’s) examples.
Does the Bible come straight from God? In the Old
Testament "thus saith Lord" is repeated 413 times! 2 Timothy 3: 15-16 "And
that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to
make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."
2Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but
holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."
There are forty six verses that say "God said" and four
that says "God saith". Eighty verses within the Scriptures state "it is
written". Dean John Burgon (1813 – 1888) said it is "the sacred writings
alone" which "speak with a voice of absolute authority." THE CAUSES OF
CORRUPTION OF THE TRADITIONAL TEXT Volume II page 14.
Stephen Crittenden: Marcus, here in Australia I think
we tend to have a sense that American fundamentalist Christianity is
fairly unsophisticated about the bible; what you seem to be saying is that
a real paradigm shift is in fact going on?
Marcus Borg: Exactly. And fundamentalism I would
say, is very unsophisticated about the bible, despite their
allegiance to it. Fundamentalists treat the bible as – in Karen
Armstrong’s memorable words – as a kind of "holy encyclopaedia in which
you can look up information about God". But it’s important to realise that
fundamentalism and biblical literalism are declining in the church in
North America.
Let me give you some very interesting, simple
statistics, they’re on biblical literalism. In a Gallup Poll taken in
1963, 40 years ago, 65% of the respondents identified themselves as
biblical literalists. That same poll taken 39 years later in 2002, that
figure was 27%, so biblical literalism in the church in the States has
declined from 65% to 27% over the last 40 years. One of the reasons the
fundamentalist voice is so loud is because fundamentalists and
conservative evangelicals to some extent are aware that they’re losing the
battle for the bible, and hence the stridency in their existence on
biblical infallibility and errancy and absoluteness.
Editor’s Comment: These statistics should not surprise
us regarding the society in which we live for we know from Scripture that
evil men will wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. Peter in
his second book and third chapter verses 3 -7 tells us "Knowing this
first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after
their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for
since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the
beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that
by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of
the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being
overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which
are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against
the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
Are we losing the battle for the Bible? Firstly we
fundamentalists must remember "the battle is not yours, but God's."!
Secondly it is "God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ."
Spurgeon well said "The Bible is a harbour where I can drop down my
anchor, feeling certain that it will hold. Here is a place where I can
find sure footing; and, by the grace of God, from this confidence I shall
never be moved."
Stephen Crittenden: Is the culture war that we’re
describing basically a culture war going on inside Christianity, or is it
also a war between Christianity and the world around it, outside?
Marcus Borg: It certainly is a war going on within
Christianity itself, and within the States. The big split, of course, is
between the mainline denominations, within which I’d include the Catholic
church, and on the other hand conservative, evangelical and fundamentalist
Christians. And a fair amount of Third World Christianity would side with
fundamentalist and conservative evangelical Christians on the question of
biblical authority and the absoluteness of the biblical laws. But the
church in North America is very much divided, almost right down the middle
on this, and within the mainline denominations the more progressive wing
of the church is winning that culture war, and moving really quite
quickly. A couple of denominations already are performing the
equivalent of gay and lesbian marriages, they’re often called the
blessings, or something like that rather than marriages, and a
couple of denominations are right on the verge of publicly affirming the
gay and lesbians in committed relationships can be ordained.
Editor’s Comment: Any "church" or denomination of
"churches" performing such deeds as marriage of man with man or woman with
woman are apostate. The Bible clearly speaks against such things in Romans
1: 24- 28 "Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through
the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies
between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and
worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed
for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:
for even their women did change the natural use into that which is
against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the
natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men
with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves
that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not
like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a
reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient."
Stephen Crittenden: Well indeed you have some very
interesting statistics on this, don’t you, in terms of what American
Catholics think about homosexuality.
Marcus Borg: Yes, it is interesting, because right now
the hierarchy of the church is speaking out very strongly against
homosexuality of course, in part because of the scandals. And so the
attitudes of lay Catholics are very interesting. A couple of figures,
these are from a Newsweek poll of a year ago: 44% of US Catholics
approve of legally sanctioned gay marriages; 39% would be willing to
accept a gay priest in a committed relationship; and 51% would attend
a church with an openly gay priest, not necessarily in a committed
relationship of course. That’s roughly 50% across the board in a way, or
close to 50% of US Catholics having a very open and affirming attitude
towards gay and lesbian people, including gay and lesbian people in the
priesthood, well maybe not lesbian people in the priesthood yet,
because we don’t have women priests, but you get the point.
Editor’s Comment: This is why Bible believing people
should obey the Scriptures with regard to separation. Jerry Falwell and
the Moral Majority is a prime example of getting into bed with others just
because one agrees on some moral issue such as abortion etc. Roman
Catholicism is conservative on some issues such as abortion but as time
passes because it is a corrupt system that conservatism will change with
the times.
1 Timothy 4: 1-3 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly,
that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to
seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy;
having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry…"
Because the Roman Catholic Church forbids marriage for
its clergy there is rampant sodomy within its clergy. 1Corinthians 7:9
"But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry
than to burn."
The Episcopal and High Church of England is just the
corrupt Roman Catholic Church with married clergy.
Stephen Crittenden: Yes. Look, you say the bible is
key, you say that in a way there’s a paradigm shift going on between an
older view and a newer view, the older view having become unpersuasive for
many people over the past 30 years or so. You also say that there’s a kind
of a constellation of issues right at the heart of this issue of biblical
authority: Genesis and the creation story; the nature of Jesus; and
homosexuality. And that the same people tend to be lining up on the same
side about all three issues.
Marcus Borg: Yes, and one of the reasons for that, or
perhaps the major reason, is that fundamentalists and many conservative
evangelical Christians see the bible as a divine product,
therefore whatever it says has the quality of absolute truth,
because it comes from God, and in the modern period they have tended to
interpret the bible literally, and so the whole issue of creation versus
evolution becomes an issue of biblical authority, whereas I don’t see it
that way myself at all. I think evolution as people were saying 150 years
ago, is God’s way of doing things. But the really flashpoints for the
debate are central issues of modern life, evolution versus creation, and
then a biblical sexual ethic versus a more, for want of a better word,
permissive sexual ethic, and then the nature of Jesus, whether he
literally was God in human flesh. So much of biblical fundamentalism
is really about a literalism of factualities and a literalism of
absoluteness. The emerging paradigm says No, it’s like the Scriptures
of all religious traditions, a human historical product.
Editor’s Comment: According to 1Timothy 3:16 "And
without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in
the flesh." John 20: 26-28 "…then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and
stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to
Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy
hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."
For the born again believer the Scriptures are
authoritative for faith and practice and not merely "a human historical
product."
Stephen Crittenden: Well before I come to get you to
give me the kind of liberal picture, can I ask you to stand in the
shoes of the conservative bible Christian on the issue of homosexuality,
and can I ask you to explain from their position your understanding of why
it is that what we call a permissive sexual ethic would undermine biblical
authority?
Marcus Borg: Well the bible from that point of view is
a divine product, it comes from God, as no other book does. And therefore
it tells us how God sees things. And the bible in several places
clearly says that homosexual behaviour is wrong, and if we want to set
that aside we’re taking a kind of cafeteria approach to Christianity,
where you choose the things you like and reject the things that you don’t
like. But that would be inconsistent with seeing the bible as the revealed
will of God. So what’s at stake is: can we trust the bible or not?
Both the Old Testament and the New Testament clearly state homosexual
behaviour is wrong, they’re basically silent on lesbians, by the way, but
then it is a book written by men for men in a way. But in any case
the Old Testament has one law specifying that homosexual behaviour is
unacceptable to God. It’s in the 18th chapter of Leviticus, 18:20, and
then two chapters later, the penalty for it is specified, and the penalty
is death. And that tells us how strongly God disapproves of homosexuality.
Again, I’m taking their point of view here.
In the New Testament there are several passages that
refer to homosexual behaviour as unacceptable.
Editor: At least he admits when he says he is taking
the fundamentalist’s point of view that there are several passages
referring to homosexual activity as unacceptable. However, either he was
mistaken or the typist was but the reference in Leviticus should be 18:22.
Stephen Crittenden: Nothing in the Gospels of
course, nothing that comes out of the mouth of Jesus himself?
Marcus Borg: Right. All the references
that have been understood as against homosexual behaviour in
the New Testament are in writings attributed to Paul. And in
three of the four instances, most likely what is being disapproved of is
pederasty, that is homosexual relationships between an adult male and a
pre-adolescent boy. You don’t have to be a redneck, we would say in the
States, to disapprove of that. The Gospels themselves are silent, though I
don’t think that’s very significant. I don’t think homosexuality was an
issue in the Jewish homeland in the 1st century, and Jesus as a 1st
century Palestinian Jew was talking about things that mattered in that
place, in that time. I do think that the manifest inclusiveness of
Jesus means that he would have accepted homosexuals, I’m confident of
that as a scholar who has spent 40 years studying the historical Jesus.
Editor’s Comment: 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is
given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness." The words of Jesus are
no more or less authoritative than other Scripture. But, what saith the
Lord Jesus concerning this matter of sodomy and worldly lifestyles?
John 3: 17, 19 "For God sent not his Son into the world
to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and
men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
Men continue to love the darkness of sin which includes sodomy.
John 15: 18-19 "If the world hate you, ye know that it
hated me before it hated you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would
love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you
out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." When a person comes to
faith in Christ they have nothing in common with the values of the world,
2 Corinthians 5:17.
John 17: 14-17 "I have given them thy word; and the
world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not
of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the
world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of
the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy
truth: thy word is truth." The Word of God is truth and His Word in
the Old or New has nothing good to say concerning sodomy!
Mark 10: 5, 6 "And Jesus answered and said unto them,
For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. 6 But from the
beginning of the creation God made them male and female." Note the
Lord said male and female. Then the Lord Jesus follows with "For this
cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; 8
And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one
flesh." Mark 10:7, 8. Sodomy is not in the plan of God!
Mark 7: 20- 23 "And he said, That which cometh out of
the man, that defileth the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of
men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts,
covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy,
pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile
the man." Sodomy would certainly fit into these words of our Lord.
Luke 17: 27-30 "They did eat, they drank, they married
wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into
the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as
it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they
sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of
Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30
Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed." Sodom
was destroyed for the sin that was rampant within its gates.
These Scriptures indicate Jesus had something to say
about worldly sinful living which includes sodomy. The world system has
always accepted sodomy along with other vile sins but our God has never
accepted sodomy.
Stephen Crittenden: You talk about the importance of
context, and can I just amplify this, that you’re really saying that
what we’ve come to define as homosexuality in our translations and so on,
isn’t what St Paul meant.
Marcus Borg: That’s right. In that world, there
really were not committed gay and lesbian relationships such as there are
in our world. They were much more casual, and in a way exploitative,
involving oftentimes slaves or children. And so taking into account the
1st century context, basically what Paul says is irrelevant for our
time on the subject of homosexuality.
Editor’s Comment: Is that right? 1 Corinthians 6: 9-11
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be
not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor
covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the
kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye
are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by
the Spirit of our God."
These Corinthian believers were adults and had been
saved out of the sodomite lifestyle as well as having been saved from
other sinful lifestyles. They were now "washed" in the blood of the Lamb
from the filthiness of sins such as fornication, adultery, sodomy,
thievery, drunkenness etc. Praise God that which reformation cannot do
regeneration can and does!
Stephen Crittenden: Does Christianity in fact represent
a move away from a tribal religion with a tribal morality? Is
Christianity in a sense, even though St Paul takes on a lot of things that
he doesn’t like in the Greek cities that he’s visiting, isn’t Christianity
right from its beginning, a cosmopolitan religion?
Marcus Borg: Yes, it is. Christianity can be
understood as a universalisation of Judaism, meaning that Christianity in
many ways for the first three centuries, saw itself as an extension of
Judaism but with the boundary between Jew and Gentile broken down, and the
breaking down of that boundary also broke down the other traditional
boundaries of that world, the boundary between sinner and righteous, the
boundary between pure and unclean, the boundary between rich and poor, and
by extension I would say, the boundary between straights and gays. I think
that Christianity is intrinsically in terms of its origins, and inclusive
religion that shatters the social boundaries that are created by human
beings.
Editor’s Comment: What a load of unbelief. Those
heathen in the Old Testament were much like the heathen in the New
Testament and those "heathen" living among us today. They saw the God of
Israel just a god among many. 1Kings 20:28 "And there came a man of God,
and spake unto the king of Israel, and said, Thus saith the LORD, Because
the Syrians have said, The LORD is God of the hills,
but he is not God of the valleys, therefore will I deliver all this
great multitude into thine hand, and ye shall know that I am the LORD."
They had their tribal gods but the Creator God, the God of Scripture is
THE GOD and He has said "I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and
there is none like me." There is One God not many gods, and One Way of
Salvation. John 14: 6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
I have not a clue what Mr. Borg is talking about in
breaking down the boundary but I know through the Lord Jesus Christ and
His death and the shedding of His blood on Calvary there is no longer a
distinction between Jew and Gentile, circumcision and uncircumcision.
Ephesians 2: 11 – 19 "Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past
Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is
called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time
ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and
strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God
in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are
made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made
both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between
us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of
commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one
new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one
body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and
preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now
therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens
with the saints, and of the household of God."
Stephen Crittenden: Marcus Borg, and his book is called
Reading the Bible Again For the First Time.
That’s all this week. Next week: Anglican bishop,
Michael Ingham, of New Westminster in Canada, on why he’s agreed to bless
same-sex unions.
Editor’s Comment: A "Professor of Religion" is all Mr.
Borg seems to be from what I have read. He does not portray himself as a
possessor of the Lord Jesus Christ as personal Saviour from sin.
You might be saying what does all this have to do with
me a Bible believing Christian? Sadly it has much to do with you and me.
We need to always be on guard for the person that "thinketh he standeth
take heed lest he fall."
An example of where conservatives and fundamentalists
may be heading is seen in 2Timothy 4:10 where we read that Demas who was
once a faithful "fellowlabourer" had now forsaken Paul and Luke "having
loved this present world" and "departed unto Thessalonica." Love for the
world takes many forms.
With the wall of separation between the world and the
church being broken down ever so quickly and where many activities were
once forbidden and preached against are now accepted. Social drinking is
accepted in some "fundamental" circles. Divorce is debated by some and
accepted by other "fundamentalists". It is probable that someday soon this
sin of sodomy will be accepted by the "fundamentalists".
Oh no, that could not happen! It would have been
inconceivable to me twenty years ago that "fundamental" churches and
missionaries would be having drama and dance in the church but it is
happening today! Why not sodomy?
Is it not conceivable that Demas could be accepted as
the pastor of many "fundamental" churches today? In fact he would probably
climb the ecclesiastical ladder faster (yes, even in the "fundamental"
groups there is a ladder to climb) for distancing himself from negative
name calling troublemaking short sighted Paul. Unlike Paul who did not
desire to be on any board or council and couldn’t if he had wanted to be,
Pastor positive thinking, pat everyone on the back, forward looking, let’s
try anything to get a crowd, Demas is chairman of the BIBLE BELIEIVING
BAPTIST GETTING ON WITH THE JOB PRESTIGE LOOK AT ME COUNCIL.
Can you not hear the cries of the faithful? What if
Pastor Demas does like a social drink? He only drinks wine at his meals?
What if Pastor Demas is divorced and now remarried? He can now speak from
experience! What if Pastor Demas is bisexual? What of it? God loves us all
doesn’t He?
Pastor Demas is loved by the community and is asked to
speak at local functions of importance. Through this he is able to share
the Word. Pastor Demas through his positive ministry is a member in good
standing of many Baptist Colleges and Seminary boards. He is so good with
the young people in the colleges because he is so positive and down where
they are. This positive attitude just oozes from him and is contagious.
Pastor Demas has a positive ministry and he loves the Lord. Just look how
our church is growing!
We could go on further but I think you have the point.
Borg, Funk, and the other "Fellows" of the Jesus Seminar are what I would
call off the wall. Why would anyone write papers and meet twice a year to
debate things concerning a Person and a Book they do not believe?
Did these "Fellows" begin this way? I don’t know but it
must be emphasized it is essential for faithful fundamental preachers to
expound the Word and expose error and the teachers of error.
My concern is within fundamentalism when will the time
come "when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts
shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears."? Will
getting the numbers any way we can be that road to apostasy? Will pleasing
the flesh through drama, dance and music be the inroads through which
Satan leads "fundamentalists" further into error, new evangelicalism and
eventually apostasy?
In the May/June 2002 Faith Pulpit Dr. George Houghton
of Faith Baptist Theological Seminary had an article entitled ANOTHER LOOK
AT THE NEW EVANGELICALISM. The article well presents today’s
fundamentalists and their open acceptance of new evangelicalism. I have
emphasized some points by underlining them and have made some comments as
well.
ANOTHER LOOK AT THE NEW EVANGELICALISM
Dr. George Houghton
Faith Baptist Theological Seminary
"Today, as we are now in the twenty-first century, and
a few generations separate us from the beginnings of the new
evangelicalism, there are some from within fundamentalist circles who are
saying, ‘New evangelicalism was at one time a reality, but today it is
non-existent (or at least, not a formidable foe any longer).’ Is this
really accurate? The answer to that is an emphatic, ‘No!’ The issue is not
the term ‘new evangelicalism.’ Terms come and go. The question is, ‘Are
the issues and attitudes raised by the new evangelicalism gone?’ And,
again, the answer is an emphatic ‘No!’
This is seen today in several areas.
(1) The rapid rise of the church marketing movement
from the early 1990s to the present with its emphasis upon relationships
and experience, drama and contemporary music, to reach and hold people.
The Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois, has a
Willow Creek Association of many other churches (into the hundreds) which
are following the Willow Creek model.
Editor’s Comment: Faith Baptist Theological Seminary is
a "partner" with the General Association of Regular Baptist Churches (GARBC).
There is at least one GARB Church which is a member of the Willow Creek
Association. You may read more concerning this in my paper WHERE TO FROM
HERE? at www.Bennett.BibleForToday.org.
(2) The positive response of evangelicals to the
programs and ministry of Robert Schuller and his Crystal Cathedral.
Editor’s Comment: Bill Hybels of Willow Creek Community
Church has spoken at Schuller’s conference at least a couple of times.
Therefore the GARB church that is a member of the Willow Creek Association
is associating with Schuller through that association. It is a very thin
line we walk my friends.
(3) The broad acceptance (or at least toleration) of
the Contemporary Christian Music movement and rejection of
fundamentalism’s personal separation standards, so that Charisma magazine
(April 1997, 26ff.) could write that "British Christians Use Techno-Dance
to Reach Youth." Their article talked about alternative worship
services, evangelistic night clubs and "a revolutionary Christian
dance movement." In describing this, the article said "strobe
lighting, smoke effects, DJs, dancers, Celtic music and tribal rhythms
were served up for this worship feast. The trend can be found everywhere."
Editor’s Comment: The Association of Baptists for World
Evangelism is a "partner" with the GARBC. I received an email from an ABWE
missionary in answer to an email of mine asking if they were involved in
drama and dance on their field. His answer was "So, we believe that we
have a unique opportunity to train up a generation in some of these areas.
So, we are doing specific training in music, drama, creative
writing, puppets, graphic arts- painting, sculpting, movement/dance."
(Emphasis added by DCB). This is from a missionary that serves with a
mission board that probably still considers itself as a "fundamentalist"
mission agency. Where to from here?
(4) The influence of the apologetic writings and
lecturing of Dr. Hugh Ross, who teaches that the earth is
billions of years old, and began with a "big bang," that death and
degeneration existed in the beginning and have continued for billions of
years, and that neither the fall to sin nor the flood resulted in
significant physical changes in nature.
(5) The positive attitude of many evangelicals
toward the charismatic movement, especially as it is seen in
the signs-and-wonders movement.
(6) The acceptance of religious teachers and
institutions which have not held the line on belief in eternal punishment.
Fuller Seminary modified its doctrinal statement in this area, and
individuals like Clark Pinnock have opened the door to people hearing the
gospel after death and having a chance to respond positively, or hell
being viewed as annihilation.
Editor’s Comment: Grand Rapids Baptist Seminary some
years ago had a professor teaching hell was not literal.
(7) The hearing being given in evangelical circles to
"the openness of God" concept which rejects His absolute foreknowledge,
among other things.
(8) The toleration by some
evangelicals—especially in academic settings—of deviant sexual
lifestyles, particularly homosexuality.
Editor’s Comment: I personally believe it is not many
years before these "deviant sexual lifestyles" will be accepted by some
who consider themselves fundamentalists today.
(9) The willingness of evangelical publishers to
publish works which allow for aspects of higher critical views of
the Bible, including redaction criticism, in interpreting the life of
Christ in the Gospel accounts.
(10) The broad acceptance of the
Promise-Keepers movement, even though it tolerates working with Roman
Catholics and has strong charismatic overtones.
Editor’s Comment: In the Biblical Discernment
Ministries for 2/2003 there was a paper entitled GENERAL ASSOCIATION OF
REGULAR BAPTIST CHURCHES (G.A.R.B.C.) FROM SEPARATION TO INCLUSIVISM. This
paper stated the "GARBC's huge Blackhawk Baptist Church in Ft. Wayne,
Indiana held a Promise Keepers Men's Ministry Leadership seminar
10/28/94-10/29/94; the church's pastor wrote a letter to BDM in which he
strongly supported Promise Keepers and its mission." Many within the GARBC
would claim to be fundamentalists and yet keep their churches in
fellowship with others who will and do participate in Promise Keepers.
(11) The willingness of major evangelical
leaders to sign their names to the "Evangelicals and Catholics
Together" document, and still others to sign the later statement
entitled "The Gift of Salvation." While recognizing traditional
differences (including sacramentalism), there is the willingness to call
each other "brothers in Christ."
(12) The belief by some evangelicals that the
Head of the Roman Catholic Church, the Pope, is an evangelical.
If those attitudes and issues do not seem to be of such
concern today, it is only because the new evangelical position has become
mainstreamed into many Bible-believing circles to the extent that speaking
against them puts one in a rather small minority. Issues such as
ecumenical evangelism are still very significant today, but we hear little
about them because many whose voices might at one time have spoken out in
opposition have been quieted by a changed or at least a relaxed position.
The new evangelical attitude has become so prevalent that one may be
tempted to tolerate it as inevitable and normal."
In closing perhaps more so today than at any other time
should fundamentalists "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the
devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour."
1Peter 5:8.
Yours against apostasy and for Biblical truth,
David C. Bennett
David C. Bennett, Titus 2:13